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Post by Craig Tuck on Aug 6, 2007 20:38:02 GMT -3
Guys, this isn't definite but we're leaning towards combining B&C rather than C&D. The reason for this is based on previous tournaments, the gap between B&C seems to be less than between C&D. We have alot of D teams coming in from out of town and we want them to have an enjoyable weekend, playing teams of equal calibre. With 5 runs max per inning, and a max plus two HR rule, the gap between B&C gets even smaller. We have 18 total teams registered for B&C which means 6 divisions of three where you play teams outside of your division. The top 6 division winners will advance to the B pool while the bottom 12 will move to C. Again, this isn't definite but it's the direction we're leaning towards.
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Post by belbins on Aug 6, 2007 20:43:19 GMT -3
just wondering what teams are confirmed for the provincials?
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Post by Craig Tuck on Aug 6, 2007 21:05:38 GMT -3
I'll try to post a list tomorrow. We have 30-32 teams in total.
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Post by dan on Aug 6, 2007 23:56:49 GMT -3
I think it is the dumbest idea ever to combine the provincials. Teams enter a division in which they want to play, so why combine them. It is not combined anywhere else. It doent cut down on any games it makes no sense. Why give B teams round robin games against weaker competition that they will not see in the playoffs. Wouldnt they want 3 games against strong competition before playoffs and why give C teams games against B teams that they will not play in the playoffs. You play round robin games to see where you stand in your division. And then the ranking system will be off as well with 6 B teams and 12 C, by this i mean if all B teams go 3-0 they will be ranked according to +/- and that would not happen if they played there round robin against each other. The only reason to do this in my opinion is to give the 6 B teams a game against different competition because they are sick of playing the same teams.
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Post by scottmartin on Aug 7, 2007 6:25:55 GMT -3
I agree with Dan, we put a team in to play C teams from start to finish, not B teams. If we wanted to play B teams we would entered the B division.
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Post by Craig Tuck on Aug 7, 2007 6:41:24 GMT -3
Combining divisions is nothing new and one of the reasons it was suggested is that some of the C teams asked about qualifying for the B Nationals next year. As you know, this event will be in St. John's and the teams playing will come from the B Provincials and the A league at Caribou. In addition, each C team will play only one B team and the B teams will have to play one game against another B team. In any case, we'll email the C teams and go with the majority.
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Post by kb on Aug 7, 2007 8:21:27 GMT -3
Totally agree with Dan, Stupid idea, will ruin the tournament....
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Post by murph on Aug 7, 2007 8:48:30 GMT -3
i sort of like the idea. what we have to remember is that all year we may play in a B, C, or D league, but when it comes to Provincials, you have to move back a division in order to be in the same caliber. There is no "A" provincials.
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Post by cooper on Aug 7, 2007 9:05:49 GMT -3
I like Craig's idea. It gives everyone the opportunity to play some different teams and some good ball. I'll enjoy playing different teams. I just can't understand why teams wouldn't want to take part in a higher calibre tournament. We'll see next year when the "B" Nationals come to the Caribou. All of a sudden Newfoundland will have 20 "A" teams. That's when you'll see the snot beatings! Congrats to all "B" teams that have been moving up over the last month and playing "A" teams.
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Post by duff on Aug 7, 2007 9:35:13 GMT -3
I don't even know why you throw it out there Craig, and let it go to a vote or get opinions. I'd go with what you think will be better, there was no vote in Grand Falls when the divisions were combined in '03, everyone showed up and played, I don't think there was any amount of complaining. That provincials was one of the better tournaments we had here in the province in the last 5-7 years. I'd say combine them and go with the same format as they did in GF split it half way top 9 after round robin go to B bottom 9 go to C. You are not going to please everyone, you never do.
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Post by Dean Younge on Aug 7, 2007 13:17:39 GMT -3
Craig's idea is fine. If you end up in the C division after the round robin, then I guess that's where you belong. This is nothing new. It's been done in the provincials before and worked fine.
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Post by dennis on Aug 7, 2007 15:13:37 GMT -3
Not to be a contrarian here but I think a lot of C teams wanted to combine with D for some variety so what's wrong with doing the same with the B teams? If a C team get hot and winds up in the top six come Sunday, then that proves that they should be trying to play up there in the first place and if they wind up in the 12 teams that are vying for C, then maybe that's where they want to be in the first place. CARE and Best d**n have been giving the upper divisions a shot for the last two tourneys and last time out they did very well.
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Post by amoulton8 on Aug 7, 2007 17:14:39 GMT -3
I agree, lets combine the two divisons. The tournament in Grand Falls was a great weekend and no one complained about it. If you wind up in the top 6 then thats where you belong in the first place.... if not then you play out for the 'C' title like planned.
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Post by eagles on Aug 7, 2007 20:26:08 GMT -3
I think that combining the 2 divisions is fine. It worked fine in Grand Falls the other year, in fact it was one of the best tourneys I have been involved in. Here's a chance for a C team to qualify for the nations next year. Whats the worst that could happen you end up playing for the C championship.
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Post by klhynes14 on Aug 8, 2007 10:54:05 GMT -3
My only concern is that fact that there are gonna be 6 divisions, with 3 teams in each division. How many B teams are playing this weekend? Will we have one division with no B team? That's where I think the problem will present itself. For example, if one division has 3 weak C teams, that each get mercied all 3 games, why would one of these teams have to move to B? As Craig mentioned above, the top 6 division winners advance to the B pool. I could be totally wrong here, but at first glance, this would be my main concern.
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